Talk:FediBlock: Difference between revisions

::First-first (added after the below first), I noticed the How to use this list and "don't block without checking yourself", which I give a big thumbs up to. This does show that the author is trying to encourage you to think for yourself. Sadly, I think many people won't follow it, but at least the advice is there.

::First of all, I am a qoto user, https://qoto.org/@sgryphon, so I have a personal interest in not getting banned; I'd like to be able to interact with users on other servers. Same motivation as original poster.

::Second of all, the admin / main admin, does seem angry at being banned from instances (probably because users are complaining to him why they are blocked; I know I have, when I found qoto on some block lists, I asked why). Also, his recent reaction to being banned seems to have gotten out of hand, with personal attacks (calling others Nazis and fascists). Not the best way to make friends.

::"Did you even read the provided link? And the moderator clearly states that he wouldn't moderate for racism."

::Links on the previous page? there are two links. Also, I think the term moderation needs clarification: the server does moderate users (of Qoto) for racisim (it is against the terms of the server), but does not pre-emptively moderate entire federated servers by suspending them. So "wouldn't moderate for racism" is both true and false (because the term moderation applies to both users and servers). https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/moderation/

::(1) Starts with "They were defederated for many reasons (some receipts attached)"

::I'm not sure what receipts are, but I presume they are the screen shots attached. There were also a lot of phrases used in the discussion & links that I had to look up, like "dog whistle", "sealioning", "kiwi farms".

::First receipt is a quote "wouldn't ban for racism"; note that this is talking about not silencing/banning other servers, with the explict reasons given (to monitor and expose). Note that racism is against the moderation rules of Qoto itself. Server rules are here: https://qoto.org/about/more . This is a valid issue, but probably best to clarify e.g. "moderates local users for racism; but does not defederate other servers" (otherwise it seems misleading that qoto does not moderate user)

::Second receipt says they have never had a complaint about child porn, but will follow due process; which they have done and now added to their rules. I'm not sure why this is an issue (they took feedback, and updated rules; for a problem they have never had)

::Third receipt is post-hoc reaction to the banning trying to set up some process. This can't be a reason for the initial banning, and seems a bit circular.

::There is also a mention of emailing admins and asking for the block to be removed. I don't know how often he has done this. A single polite email to ask to remove a block is not harrassment, but if he has done it multiple times then you should probably provide that as stronger evidence.

::(2) Is a complaint about the block. Freemo does make a personal attack by initially calling Paula a dictator, and then later agreeing with another commentator effectively calling her a fascist. This also seems rather circular, to say the evidence for the block is that he complained about the block.  

::'''What I am not actually seeing is any bad posts/content from the users of the server such as racism, etc. i.e. the actual things that should probably get the entire server banned.''' Public timeline of the server is here: https://qoto.org/public

::If there is evidence of horrid posts coming from the server, with no action by the moderators, (rather than just the moderator complaining and getting into fights about getting banned), then I would like to know, so that I can reconsider if I want to stay on qoto or not.

::Maybe you want to ban the moderator (e.g. for harassment) but I don't think you should ban the entire server?