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Additional lobbying (but 2 messages is probably sufficient).
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::::::If there is evidence of horrid posts coming from the server, with no action by the moderators, (rather than just the moderator complaining and getting into fights about getting banned), then I would like to know, so that I can reconsider if I want to stay on qoto or not. | ::::::If there is evidence of horrid posts coming from the server, with no action by the moderators, (rather than just the moderator complaining and getting into fights about getting banned), then I would like to know, so that I can reconsider if I want to stay on qoto or not. | ||
::::::Maybe you want to ban the moderator (e.g. for harassment) but I don't think you should ban the entire server? | ::::::Maybe you want to ban the moderator (e.g. for harassment) but I don't think you should ban the entire server? | ||
:::::: [ | ::::::--[[User:SlyGryphon|SlyGryphon]] ([[User talk:SlyGryphon|talk]]) ~15:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC) | ||
:::::::Okay, so lets assume (which I don't agree with) that I made a mistake, adding qoto in the first place (and at least 86 server admins made that mistake before me). And lets assume (which I don't agree with) that I am wrong for keeping qoto on the list for exposing their users to harassment and worse from other instances. | :::::::Okay, so lets assume (which I don't agree with) that I made a mistake, adding qoto in the first place (and at least 86 server admins made that mistake before me). And lets assume (which I don't agree with) that I am wrong for keeping qoto on the list for exposing their users to harassment and worse from other instances. | ||
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:::::::Wielding arbitrary power without accountability... Is there a word for that? You could have considered and refuted his argument, assuming you were able. Instead you got upset that your decisions were being questioned and banished him for questioning your lack of accountability. | :::::::Wielding arbitrary power without accountability... Is there a word for that? You could have considered and refuted his argument, assuming you were able. Instead you got upset that your decisions were being questioned and banished him for questioning your lack of accountability. | ||
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::::::::I agree, personal attacks are not warranted. And make it even less likely you will reconsider the request. All people can get emotional, and I know being effectively banned makes me angry as well, but isn't an excuse for personal attacks. | |||
::::::::In theory Qoto could be exposing their users to harassment from other instances (due to open federation); but in practice I don't see that come up in my feed; and banning them won't change that if that is a goal. Users can also block if they want to. | |||
::::::::I had a look at the public feeds of a few other sites on the list, and it was immediately obvious why some might want to ban them (the n- word, swastikas, etc, easily visible). In constrast, the qoto public feed doesn't have anything like that at all. | |||
::::::::Whereas as some are banned for more political/philosophical reasons than for their actual content. i.e. the ban is not about protecting users on your server from the content on Qoto (because the content on Qoto is not an issue), but to protest, or this case also because the admin got angry and made personal attacks. | |||
::::::::I would ask that instead of banning you just silence the server, although this is more applicable when the ban is due to content. If the ban is as a protest (understandable due to the attacks), then a silence has less impact. | |||
::::::::I do like the guidance you give for people to check themselves before blocking; maybe you could facilitate that by making it clear whether the block is for Content reasons, or Other. A link to the public feed (to make it easy for people to check themselves) -- with an appropriate content warning -- would also be useful. | |||
::::::::Finally, if the admin has made policy changes, and is asking for other specific changes you would like, the answer of "If you don't see it yourself", isn't that helpful. For example, maybe it is a different understanding of the word "Moderation" -- I originally assumed that meant moderation of on-server users, but from the documentation the same term also covers banning serves. | |||
::::::::If you are okay with the user moderation of Qoto, but it is the server moderation (they don't block servers) that you would like to see changed, then maybe that is a point of disagreement that can't be solved. (Trying to guess what you mean by "If you don't see it yourself"). | |||
::::::::Thank you for the polite discussion so far, and sorry that you were personally attacked. If you have any further questions, I am open to be contacted at sly@gamertheory.net, but I think I have already said enough here, and don't want to be mistaken for trying to harass. | |||
::::::::--[[User:SlyGryphon|SlyGryphon]] ([[User talk:SlyGryphon|talk]]) 05:09, 3 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
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